The Difference Blog by Dan4th ([info]differenceblog) wrote,

DHEA & T vs. XX & XY

Although present in both men and women, DHEA levels are higher in men throughout life. DHEA is produced in the adrenal gland, and according to Quackwatch.com (2004) "no one knows exactly what it does in the body." DHEA is easily converted into testosterone and estrogen. A Mayo Clinic study (Nair et al, 2006) published today in the New England Journal of Medicine examined the effects of the sex steroid Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) in elderly men and women. Despite health-food store and internet claims that DHEA is the "fountain of youth," Nair et al largely confirmed results of the French "DHEAge" study (2000) which showed that the only consistent effect of DHEA administration was to raise DHEA levels.

In terms of gender-specific responses to DHEA administration, results have been inconsistent enough that it is difficult to draw conclusions. The DHEAge study showed some increase in female (but not male) libido. Nair et al. reported bone mineral density increased in both men and women, but these were site-specific and different between the sexes. As Paul M. Stewart (2006) puts it in his editorial about Nair et al's study, BMD changes "have been small, specific to site and sex, and not reproducible between studies." Nair et al also found a slight decrease in HDL ("good" cholesterol) for men and women taken together, but no other lipid changes. Kudielka et al (1998) showed that DHEA treatment seemed to affect adrenal stress hormone levels in elderly women under social stress tests, but not in men. Kudielka et al's study did not show any reduction of subjective stress, however. Gurnell and Chatterjee's review (2001) suggested that DHEA's seeming effectiveness in women might be attributable to raising androgen levels above what would normally be expected in women, although (being pro-DHEA) they were quick to point out that the body hair and lipid level side effects had not been demonstrated as being present.



My relationship to OTC hormones is largely influenced by my participation in the transsexual community. It seems like the question arises again and again in the female-to-male online forums: "will taking DHEA give me masculinizing effects?" Testosterone itself is schedule III controlled substance (like ketamine or codeine), with heavily restricted access and legal implications for unauthorized possession, which DrugPolicy.org says are rapidly increasing due to media attention. Therefore, a lot of transsexuals frustrated with the red tape attempt to jump-start their transition with "dietary supplements" -- an expensive and ineffective habit. I am somewhat heartened to see that most of the DHEA studies show no ill effect from the administration of DHEA, but I worry about what long-term effects may be looming in the future. However, this concern is probably biased, since the Mayo Clinic points out that long-term effects of the plain-old-testosterone therapy I take myself are largely unknown.
Tags: aging, dehydroepiandrosterone, dhea, endocrinology, gender differences, hormones, mayo clinic, new england journal of medicine, steroids, testosterone

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[info]poeticalpanther

October 19 2006, 14:01:23 UTC 5 years ago

Some good thoughts in there, for sure. I know going the other way, plenty of folk think it's a good idea to take herbal supplements containing phytoestrogens, but I've seen a study (which I wish I could find again) that pointed out that this can LOWER the effectiveness of prescribed drugs, by taking up receptor-space that would otherwise be filled with more effective estrogens than the low-powered ones found in plants. In effect, it reduces the effectiveness of the prescribed meds by muscling them out of the places they need to be to work.

[info]differenceblog

October 19 2006, 14:05:18 UTC 5 years ago

Bless your soul, it is so good to get the opposite direction viewpoint. I really appreciate your comments!

I usually try to mention each day's article on an LJ community that is on a related subject, which means I'm seeing a lot of LJ communities. Today I ended up checking out [info]herbal_t, and I can't decide if I should post to it. I don't really want to invade their space, but they do list DHEA in the interests. Thoughts?

[info]poeticalpanther

October 19 2006, 16:28:53 UTC 5 years ago

Can't hurt - at worst, they'll delete it, you'll apologise, and move on. *shrug*

[info]neitherday

October 19 2006, 14:17:49 UTC 5 years ago

It's interesting how things change. When I came out, non-prescribed estrogen was virtually impossible to obtain. Internet pharmacies had not yet come into existence and there was not a substantial enough black market to tap into. However, there was a thriving black market for testosterone because the demand for non-prescription T extended well beyond the trans community.

Of course online pharmacies have reversed the situation, moving non-prescribed estrogen products to the grey market while non-prescribed T remain relegated to the black market.

[info]astrogeek01

October 19 2006, 15:06:14 UTC 5 years ago

I would argue that being concerned about long-term effects of any treatment that isn't well documented yet is reasonable. Just because yours also isn't, doesn't make the concern for other people invalid. At least yours is being supervised by doctor type peoples; I always worry when people try to self-medicate.

A random thing because I didn't understand a lot of the post itself... if DHEA converts readily to both testosterone and estrogen, how is taking DHEA supplements going to help with transition?

[info]differenceblog

October 19 2006, 15:09:38 UTC 5 years ago

basically? It isn't.

It's marketed as being a "natural" testosterone booster, which it sort of is, but no one who's buying it for "performance enhancement" is going to want to hear that it increases estriadol, too, so they just don't mention that. (assuming I understood my reading this morning correctly).

It's not being marketed for transition. It's being sold for performance enhancement, anti-aging, and dieters.

[info]astrogeek01

October 19 2006, 15:15:58 UTC 5 years ago

Ah, I see. So... in the trans community is it more prevalent for FtM to take it than MtF? Based on the marketing, I'd assume so, but that doesn't necessarily translate.

[info]differenceblog

October 19 2006, 15:31:07 UTC 5 years ago

It is more prevalent in FTMs. As pointed out, MTFs are more likely to take menopause supplements, like soy.

[info]amberite

January 5 2007, 06:01:30 UTC 5 years ago

Hi -- bit late but I'm running through tags in [info]ftm.

Quackwatch is a little ... scare-driven for me to take them seriously. Most of the alt!health sites are, also -- just in the opposite direction. I usually hit the extremists on both sides (as they frequently DO have information no one else is talking about) and then check out medline or something similar for confirmation of anything that sounds remotely solid.

I have collected the following reports from various anecdotes and abstracts about DHEA: it may cause masculinizing effects, but not reliably (the most frequent anecdotal report I've seen is women losing their hair -- whoops!) and in most doses sold otc it also puts some strain on the heart and liver, which is NOT what anyone wants when they're looking towards T therapy. In safer, lower doses -- 5mg or similar -- it won't cause physical changes, but as you reference, can raise androgen levels a bit.

I've just started taking 5mg sublingually. I have noticed the following effects:

* slight change in state of mind. I don't think I'll be able to note whether the slightly different feeling I get is a placebo effect or not until I start taking T. But part of the reason I'm taking it is to see what altering my hormone levels a little tiny bit feels like before I take the plunge.

* small but definite increase in libido.

* when I take it (within two hours of getting up) I feel more awake immediately and get hungry. It's definitely doing something with my metabolism. This is really convenient but might only be noticeable in me, because I have a sleep disorder and am usually completely useless for the first two hours of my day. I've noticed getting useful faster. I can't imagine this is a placebo effect, because if I could wake up faster with the power of positive thinking, then one of the twenty or so other strategies I've tried would have worked.

[info]differenceblog

January 5 2007, 13:37:08 UTC 5 years ago

Thanks for sharing your experiences with this!

[info]amberite

January 5 2007, 15:12:47 UTC 5 years ago

No problem. Random infospew is my middle name. :-)
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