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Baumeister: Gender warriors please go home

Roy F. Baumeister's talk "Is There Anything Good About Men?" (given to the American Psychological Association on August 17th, according to John Tierney of the NYT) begins by asking gender warriors to go home. The full transcript is probably more than most people are willing to read, weighing in at over 9,000 words, but I highly recommend actually taking the time. His answer to the rhetorical question is yes, by the way, but not any better than women. He takes what he calls a "tradeoff approach": "each advantage may be linked to a disadvantage."

Baumeister repeatedly comments that he's not saying anything about should, and fairly little about how. "I have no conclusions to present about what’s good or bad or how the world should change," he said. Baumeister suggests that most reported sex differences in performance are probably linked more to motivation than ability.



[info]rdi pointed this out over the weekend, and I'd been keeping an eye out for more from Baumeister, since he's the single most cited author on this blog. I didn't notice the pattern until I'd already cited three of his reviews, and I probably respect what he has to say more than any other psychologist publishing on gender today. The tradeoff approach -- that each disadvantage is in place to pay for a biologically necessary advantage -- is something that's been bouncing around in my own head for a while, and I thought he framed it fairly reasonably.

I don't know if I agree with Baumeister's assertion that "gender warriors" are the purveyors of the "value judgments" that are "warping the play of ideas." Maybe it's my own status as someone caught in the crossfire, but I sort of thought the point of the war was keeping value judgments out of it.

[edit: I'm looking for a citation of Baumeister's assertion that women make up more than 50% of human ancestry. He cites "recent research using DNA analysis" -- but I can't find what study he's talking about.

edit2:It looks like the relevant piece is Wilder, Mobasher, and Hammer, 2004: Genetic evidence for unequal effective population sizes of human females and males. Molecular Biology and Evolution]
Tags: evolutionary psychology, gender differences, jason wilder, john tierney, michael hammer, nyt, rdi, roy baumeister, sex differences, tradeoffs, zahra mobasher

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[info]sandhawke

August 27 2007, 14:34:59 UTC 4 years ago

My quick google search finds this, which looks about right. So, Hammer and Wilder, 2004.

I agree that piece was worth reading....

[info]differenceblog

August 27 2007, 15:15:08 UTC 4 years ago

It looks like the relevant piece is Wilder, Mobasher, and Hammer, 2004: Genetic evidence for unequal effective population sizes of human females and males. Molecular Biology and Evolution

Thanks!

[info]nokomarie66

August 27 2007, 19:48:22 UTC 4 years ago

Thanks for linking to this; it was very interesting. There were some speculative parts that didn't ring true to me: he seems to be suggesting at one point that the fact that women did not pursue interests in the public sphere historically, even though they were highly accomplished, is some evidence that they were more interested in the intimate domain of home and family. This doesn't seem right -- there were huge pressures on women to keep their interests restricted to home and family. In many places there were long periods when women couldn't own their own property or money. Makes it hard to maintain an interest in a wide social sphere. And now that those pressures have lessened, women have been quick to immerse themselves in all kinds of broadly public projects - in law, politics, art... if anything I'd say this suggests huge pent-up interest in the public social sphere.

I agree with the point you raise in your post, that the the point of the war is keeping value judgments out of it. Toward the end he says it's been a successful strategy, having men and women focus on different domains. It's not a value judgment exactly but it's pretty close to one!
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