The Difference Blog by Dan4th ([info]differenceblog) wrote,

Worth a Thousand Words

James Kent, in a 2006 article with the stunning citation "There is plenty of information online and in books," says "women talk for the sake of talking." It's possible that Kent is referring to the oft-quoted (and rarely cited) chestnut that men use 7,000 words per day whereas women use 20,000. Godwin Scerri uses this tidbit in his discussion of The Female Brain by Louann Brizendine, which appears to be a counterpoint and expansion on Simon Baron-Cohen's "extreme male brain" theory of autism (1999, pdf).

Brizendine suggests that men are capable of the same social intuition and connection as women, but that they don't look for it, because the idea of conflict isn't troubling for them. Brizendine also claims that women (and not men) use both halves of their brain for language tasks, but a 2000 fMRI study fTCD study* by Knecht et al seems to suggest that this is not the case.

How much truth is there to the claim that women talk more than men? The answer may depend on context. It's possible that in a social environment, women talk more, but in a business environment, men dominate the conversation. Sadly, much of the research seems to be based on analysis of scripted television shows (e.g. Welch and Carlin, 2006) , rather than on natural conversation (Rayson et al, 1997).

*correction 4:00pm: I have had it pointed out to me that the Knecht et al study is NOT fMRI, but fTCD (functional transcranial Doppler sonography).



I'm a talker. Apparently, I haven't really shut up since I was six months old. I even talk in my sleep (or so I'm told.) However, I remember the first time that I went on a date with a girl after I transitioned. I found myself quietly smiling and nodding, and letting her dominate the conversation. It was a very surreal feeling, but I never really found a place to join the conversation. I wasn't needed in it. I've noticed it happening with other women, since, but not with all women, and I can't tell if it's a difference in the way I treat them or the way they treat me, but sometimes I find myself sitting there, contributing nothing but the occasional "and then what happened?"
Tags: amy welch, autism, communication, conversation, fmri, ftcd, godwin scerri, james kent, louann brizendine, maureen carlin, men, paul rayson, s knecht, simon baron-cohen, speech, talk, talking, the female brain, tv, women

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[info]astrogeek01

September 6 2006, 14:31:43 UTC 5 years ago

Huh. Does it happen with other women mostly in date-like settings, or in general?

[info]differenceblog

September 6 2006, 14:32:57 UTC 5 years ago

As far as I can recall, only in date-like settings. In fact, it largely happens when I'm trying not to screw up my chances of getting lucky, sad as that is to say. *shame*

[info]astrogeek01

September 6 2006, 14:41:34 UTC 5 years ago

Actually, that's very interesting. Because having an uninteresting conversation partner greatly reduces their chances of getting lucky, IMO. But if I were on a date, I probably also wouldn't continue talking to fill the void either... so if they weren't contributing to the conversation it would grow awkward pretty quickly.

Huh.

[info]differenceblog

September 6 2006, 14:42:47 UTC 5 years ago

In situations where this has happened, I don't know if the women involved have ever noticed that I wasn't talking. There were no conversational voids (long enough for me to notice).

[info]astrogeek01

September 6 2006, 14:56:23 UTC 5 years ago

*nod* I'm just saying that it wouldn't work like that with me.

But then... I don't consider myself a "typical" female either. Anyway, you want to get lucky with a hot woman like me you better make good conversation... ;)

[info]differenceblog

September 6 2006, 14:59:23 UTC 5 years ago

I don't consider you a "typical" female either, you scientist-gamer-martial-artist! ;) On the other hand, that's one of the things I like about you.

[info]astrogeek01

September 6 2006, 15:26:16 UTC 5 years ago

*lol* When you put it that way... ;)

So I'm still curious about the date-thing. I guess because I really never had these experiences - dating for me has been less a "going out with random someone" and more of a "I've known you for a little while so do you want to go out" kind of thing.

Plus, being in the supposedly-talky gender, which I obviously don't fit, I'm curious how these conversations usually go. Are they talking about random things which aren't much consequence? Trying to talk about things which interest them, in hopes of hitting some common ground? What do people, especially these "typical" women, talk about on dates?

[info]differenceblog

September 6 2006, 15:28:10 UTC 5 years ago

To be honest, when this has happened, I'm really not listening. For the life of me, I could not tell you what they were talking about. I'm not tuning out on purpose. I just seem to go into an autopilot mode where I watch them talk instead of listening to them talk?

[info]astrogeek01

September 6 2006, 15:30:09 UTC 5 years ago

Huh.

How does that contrast to when you were on the other side of things?

[info]differenceblog

September 6 2006, 15:44:03 UTC 5 years ago

I didn't date as much from the other side (my dating patterns were more along your lines), but I know I am completely capable of forgetting to let other people talk. I suspect I may have left people in this position more than once, but I generally tried to draw people out, because I was looking for something that they would be excited to talk about.

[info]spunderella

September 7 2006, 02:48:22 UTC 5 years ago

is there any such thing as a typical female?
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